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	<title>Comments on: Leaders seek a way forward in Africa&#8217;s GM wars</title>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Kogan</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8593</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Indagano,

Unfortunately, there is no such thing in life as &quot;100% safe&quot;. Thus far NO scientific proof anywhere in the world has been provided to establish that GM causes harm to human health.

If you continue to embrace the &#039;negative&#039; burden of proof mentality that is the antithesis of &#039;Enlightenment era thinking&#039; as a template for African regulatory systems, then you will see Africa fall further behind the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Indagano,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there is no such thing in life as &#8220;100% safe&#8221;. Thus far NO scientific proof anywhere in the world has been provided to establish that GM causes harm to human health.</p>
<p>If you continue to embrace the &#8216;negative&#8217; burden of proof mentality that is the antithesis of &#8216;Enlightenment era thinking&#8217; as a template for African regulatory systems, then you will see Africa fall further behind the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: indagano</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8592</link>
		<dc:creator>indagano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No scientist has ever proven that GM foods are 100% safe. None. Furthermore it will take at least another century to prove that GM foods are not the precusor for increasingly new diseases and drug resistant strains. Until that time please do not inflict extra burdens on Africa. We have suffered enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No scientist has ever proven that GM foods are 100% safe. None. Furthermore it will take at least another century to prove that GM foods are not the precusor for increasingly new diseases and drug resistant strains. Until that time please do not inflict extra burdens on Africa. We have suffered enough.</p>
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		<title>By: deborahbyrd</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8591</link>
		<dc:creator>deborahbyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see all of you posting here.  Thank you.  Speaking for myself ... I learned a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see all of you posting here.  Thank you.  Speaking for myself &#8230; I learned a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Mason</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8590</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see Jeff Bidstrup posting here. Jeff for anyone who doesn&#039;t know received the 2008 Dean Kleckner Trade and Technology Award for all his excellent work promoting GM. Kleckner&#039;s one of our former American Farm Bureau presidents and has also done a great job of promoting US farm interests in the face of trade protectionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see Jeff Bidstrup posting here. Jeff for anyone who doesn&#8217;t know received the 2008 Dean Kleckner Trade and Technology Award for all his excellent work promoting GM. Kleckner&#8217;s one of our former American Farm Bureau presidents and has also done a great job of promoting US farm interests in the face of trade protectionism.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Kogan</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8589</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are also the economic and political dimensions of anti-GMO bias.

In particular, I refer to disguised health &amp; environmental regulatory protectionism being practiced by European governments at the behest of European companies not able to exploit the technologies regionally and by the activist community.

http://www.itssd.org/Publications/Kogan TNI 77FINAL.pdf;

See: http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/27/edkogan_ed3_.php ;

It is also critical, for purposes of crafting a balanced and objectively benchmarked legal framework to evaluate the safety/harmfulness of gm products, that the correct scientific paradigm be employed. Arguably, the paradigm of provable or likely &#039;risk&#039;, notwithstanding uncertainty, rather than possible, hypothetical &#039;hazard&#039; should serve as the definitive benchmark as it traditionally has. 

This difference in scientific paradigm (evaluation standard) correlates to an analogous legal distinction between the terms &#039;precautionary approach&#039; which is incorporated within the text of the UN Cartegena Protocol on Biosafety and recognized also within Article 5.7 of the WTO Sanitary and Phytosanitary Agreement, and the extra-WTO European precautionary principle, which is NOT. A risk paradigm, by definition, explicitly takes into account economic costs and benefits of use versus nonuse, whereas a hazard paradigm ignores the weighing of economic costs and benefits, and instead focuses on the environmental externalities of use and the environmental benefits of nonuse. 

See: http://www.itssd.org/Publications/GTCJ_04-offprints_Kogan[2].pdf . 

In other words, the issue of science has increasingly become politicized, and as a result, novel technologies like gm, and even novel production processes have been banned or severely restricted because of fears or false pretenses surrounding scientific &#039;uncertainties&#039; (the unknowable unknowables) especially within Europe, and by extension, its trading partners - i.e., former African colonies.

I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also the economic and political dimensions of anti-GMO bias.</p>
<p>In particular, I refer to disguised health &amp; environmental regulatory protectionism being practiced by European governments at the behest of European companies not able to exploit the technologies regionally and by the activist community.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.itssd.org/Publications/Kogan" rel="nofollow">http://www.itssd.org/Publications/Kogan</a> TNI 77FINAL.pdf;</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/27/edkogan_ed3_.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/27/edkogan_ed3_.php</a> ;</p>
<p>It is also critical, for purposes of crafting a balanced and objectively benchmarked legal framework to evaluate the safety/harmfulness of gm products, that the correct scientific paradigm be employed. Arguably, the paradigm of provable or likely &#8216;risk&#8217;, notwithstanding uncertainty, rather than possible, hypothetical &#8216;hazard&#8217; should serve as the definitive benchmark as it traditionally has. </p>
<p>This difference in scientific paradigm (evaluation standard) correlates to an analogous legal distinction between the terms &#8216;precautionary approach&#8217; which is incorporated within the text of the UN Cartegena Protocol on Biosafety and recognized also within Article 5.7 of the WTO Sanitary and Phytosanitary Agreement, and the extra-WTO European precautionary principle, which is NOT. A risk paradigm, by definition, explicitly takes into account economic costs and benefits of use versus nonuse, whereas a hazard paradigm ignores the weighing of economic costs and benefits, and instead focuses on the environmental externalities of use and the environmental benefits of nonuse. </p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.itssd.org/Publications/GTCJ_04-offprints_Kogan2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.itssd.org/Publications/GTCJ_04-offprints_Kogan2.pdf</a> . </p>
<p>In other words, the issue of science has increasingly become politicized, and as a result, novel technologies like gm, and even novel production processes have been banned or severely restricted because of fears or false pretenses surrounding scientific &#8216;uncertainties&#8217; (the unknowable unknowables) especially within Europe, and by extension, its trading partners &#8211; i.e., former African colonies.</p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: John Daly</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8588</link>
		<dc:creator>John Daly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some 50,000 genes in corn, and other plants have similarly large numbers of genes. Traditional methods for developing new cultivars make wholesale changes in the genome. Genetic modification seeks to make more specific changes in the genome, but then crop breeders typically return to traditional approaches to obtain useful cultivars with the new trait.

Of course it is important to test and be sure that the new varieties are safe. Indeed, I suggest that we should generally be more thoughtful about our food chain. People are already suffering lots of health problems, including in Europe, from eating too much of the wrong foods.

However, you should realize that all crops are genetically modified from their wild precursors, and that different genetic modifications can have different effects. While one genetic modification may be problematic, another may well be safe.

Scientists are discovering new techniques for getting the genetic potential into plants to resist pests and diseases, to resist unfavorable climate or soil conditions, or to improve nutrition. The techniques can radically increase the speed with which new varieties are developed. In many countries it has been possible to utilize such varieties safely.

We have a tendency to fear the unknown more than we fear traditional risks. We should not allow that tendency to blind us to the real risks of hunger, nor to overestimate the risks of GM foods. We should especially not assume that the discovery that one genetic modification has negative impacts implies that all modifications have (the same) negative impacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some 50,000 genes in corn, and other plants have similarly large numbers of genes. Traditional methods for developing new cultivars make wholesale changes in the genome. Genetic modification seeks to make more specific changes in the genome, but then crop breeders typically return to traditional approaches to obtain useful cultivars with the new trait.</p>
<p>Of course it is important to test and be sure that the new varieties are safe. Indeed, I suggest that we should generally be more thoughtful about our food chain. People are already suffering lots of health problems, including in Europe, from eating too much of the wrong foods.</p>
<p>However, you should realize that all crops are genetically modified from their wild precursors, and that different genetic modifications can have different effects. While one genetic modification may be problematic, another may well be safe.</p>
<p>Scientists are discovering new techniques for getting the genetic potential into plants to resist pests and diseases, to resist unfavorable climate or soil conditions, or to improve nutrition. The techniques can radically increase the speed with which new varieties are developed. In many countries it has been possible to utilize such varieties safely.</p>
<p>We have a tendency to fear the unknown more than we fear traditional risks. We should not allow that tendency to blind us to the real risks of hunger, nor to overestimate the risks of GM foods. We should especially not assume that the discovery that one genetic modification has negative impacts implies that all modifications have (the same) negative impacts.</p>
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		<title>By: deborahbyrd</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8587</link>
		<dc:creator>deborahbyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Chris.  Most stories do have two sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chris.  Most stories do have two sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Paton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Paton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another side to the story of Percy Schmeiser that isnt as widely repeated as the tale he tells.

http://monsanto.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=59&amp;item=164

Contrary to popular belief, Monsanto doesn&#039;t go around suing small farmers because seed has blown into their field.

http://monsanto.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=59&amp;item=137</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another side to the story of Percy Schmeiser that isnt as widely repeated as the tale he tells.</p>
<p><a href="http://monsanto.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=59&#038;item=164" rel="nofollow">http://monsanto.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=59&#038;item=164</a></p>
<p>Contrary to popular belief, Monsanto doesn&#8217;t go around suing small farmers because seed has blown into their field.</p>
<p><a href="http://monsanto.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=59&#038;item=137" rel="nofollow">http://monsanto.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=59&#038;item=137</a></p>
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		<title>By: deborahbyrd</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/leaders-seek-a-way-forward-in-africas-gm-wars/comment-page-1#comment-8585</link>
		<dc:creator>deborahbyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, thank you for bringing Percy Schmeiser&#039;s story into this discussion.  We can&#039;t ignore the fact that GM seeds are under patent by biotech companies such as Monsanto, and the implications of this fact for small farmers around the globe.  I welcome others&#039; thoughts on this issue.

With so many human beings on Earth, it&#039;s a complicated world.

And, again, I&#039;d like to bring up the notion of &lt;em&gt;people of good will meeting together to resolve differences&lt;/em&gt;.  If we can&#039;t act toward one another with good will - in a world of 6.7 billion humans, projected to be 9 billion humans by 2050 - how will the century pass for us, and what will it look like for our children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, thank you for bringing Percy Schmeiser&#8217;s story into this discussion.  We can&#8217;t ignore the fact that GM seeds are under patent by biotech companies such as Monsanto, and the implications of this fact for small farmers around the globe.  I welcome others&#8217; thoughts on this issue.</p>
<p>With so many human beings on Earth, it&#8217;s a complicated world.</p>
<p>And, again, I&#8217;d like to bring up the notion of <em>people of good will meeting together to resolve differences</em>.  If we can&#8217;t act toward one another with good will &#8211; in a world of 6.7 billion humans, projected to be 9 billion humans by 2050 &#8211; how will the century pass for us, and what will it look like for our children?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story of Canadian canola growers isn&#039;t all positive.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Schmeiser
This of course only applies to those farmers who choose not to grow GMO, but the case has obvious implications for organic markets and traditional local ecotype varieties of seed.

Again, if the question for Africa is hunger alleviation, would not a larger discussion about food distribution, grain export, and the commodification of food stuffs also be appropriate to weave into a   GM discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of Canadian canola growers isn&#8217;t all positive.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Schmeiser" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Schmeiser</a><br />
This of course only applies to those farmers who choose not to grow GMO, but the case has obvious implications for organic markets and traditional local ecotype varieties of seed.</p>
<p>Again, if the question for Africa is hunger alleviation, would not a larger discussion about food distribution, grain export, and the commodification of food stuffs also be appropriate to weave into a   GM discussion?</p>
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