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	<title>Comments on: Herman Daly on the case for a steady state economy</title>
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		<title>By: Delson</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/herman-daly-on-the-case-for-a-steady-state-economy/comment-page-1#comment-178660</link>
		<dc:creator>Delson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real solution to managing resources needs to be a focus on promoting education, fostering political stability in 2nd and 3rd world nations, and technology transfer that targets improving resource management and improved reproductive choices.
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		<title>By: garden mind</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/herman-daly-on-the-case-for-a-steady-state-economy/comment-page-1#comment-33384</link>
		<dc:creator>garden mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 03:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deep theory, but sounds reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/herman-daly-on-the-case-for-a-steady-state-economy/comment-page-1#comment-20090</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Max Lewis</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/herman-daly-on-the-case-for-a-steady-state-economy/comment-page-1#comment-19823</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ClubPenguinCheats</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/herman-daly-on-the-case-for-a-steady-state-economy/comment-page-1#comment-19669</link>
		<dc:creator>ClubPenguinCheats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder, then, why these same people steadfastly refuse to believe that mere mortals can create climate change and have an impact on global warming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder, then, why these same people steadfastly refuse to believe that mere mortals can create climate change and have an impact on global warming?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Napier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Napier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, Government ownership and control of property is the definition of communism. If you don&#039;t have a free market economy, you have a bunch of clueless bureaucrats running everything. And it won&#039;t work. Never has and never will.

as to the genocide: The UN and all of the rest of the Malthusian meglomaniacs that are supporting the New World Order, or, if you prefer, A Stable State Economy will indeed have to start limiting population by killing them off in order to feed them. See, no command economy can produce enough goods and services to support itself.

Ted Turner and the UN have publically stated that they need to reduce the human population of the earth to anywhere from 250,000,000 to one billion. The only way to do that is to kill one hell of a lot of people. The eugenicists have been around a long time. The founders of Planned Parenthood were revered by Hitler and they supported his efforts. These folks are criminal malthusian maniacs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, Government ownership and control of property is the definition of communism. If you don&#8217;t have a free market economy, you have a bunch of clueless bureaucrats running everything. And it won&#8217;t work. Never has and never will.</p>
<p>as to the genocide: The UN and all of the rest of the Malthusian meglomaniacs that are supporting the New World Order, or, if you prefer, A Stable State Economy will indeed have to start limiting population by killing them off in order to feed them. See, no command economy can produce enough goods and services to support itself.</p>
<p>Ted Turner and the UN have publically stated that they need to reduce the human population of the earth to anywhere from 250,000,000 to one billion. The only way to do that is to kill one hell of a lot of people. The eugenicists have been around a long time. The founders of Planned Parenthood were revered by Hitler and they supported his efforts. These folks are criminal malthusian maniacs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/herman-daly-on-the-case-for-a-steady-state-economy/comment-page-1#comment-14947</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but feel that this whole issue is presented by Daly from a maligned set of premises. He targets economic productivity as the root cause of unsustainable growth. Such an argument overlooks some very basic issues that are well established by demographic studies

Demand on resources is a population growth issue, not an economic growth issue. Countries with the most vibrant and growing economies have the lowest reproductive rates, resulting in the lowest population growth rates and highest efficiency in resource utilization. For example, the United States has a current population of 304 million with a population growth rate of 9% per decade (per July 2008 statistics). The population growth trend is decreasing. In comparison, India has a current population of 1.14 billion with a population growth rate of 14% per decade. The trend is increasing. A good comparison of how improving education and economic growth slows population growth is China. Prior to China&#039;s current educational and industrial revolution, it&#039;s population growth was 19% per decade (despite its one-child policy). Its current population growth rate has dropped to 6% per decade. It&#039;s population growth rate trend is decreasing.

The disparity between nations with high population growth and those with the lowest is mostly attributable to better education, better technological solutions to improve resource efficiencies, a political and social organization that supports collective solutions, and access to better health care. The result is a higher level of economic productivity. In other words, economic productivity is an effect, not the cause.

The fallacy of Daly&#039;s doctrine is cutting economic growth will not improve conditions for the world&#039;s inhabitants. It would have very much a reverse effect in that it would be disastrous for 2nd and 3rd world nations. 

The real solution to managing resources needs to be a focus on promoting education, fostering political stability in 2nd and 3rd world nations, and technology transfer that targets improving resource management and improved reproductive choices. For the record I&#039;m not in favor of eugenics or abortion - they&#039;re bad substitutes for social sophistication, solving nothing in the long term (witness China). Until we start thinking along the lines of root cause, looking at what key factors actually contribute to reduced population growth and improvements in resource utilization, we&#039;re just kidding ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but feel that this whole issue is presented by Daly from a maligned set of premises. He targets economic productivity as the root cause of unsustainable growth. Such an argument overlooks some very basic issues that are well established by demographic studies</p>
<p>Demand on resources is a population growth issue, not an economic growth issue. Countries with the most vibrant and growing economies have the lowest reproductive rates, resulting in the lowest population growth rates and highest efficiency in resource utilization. For example, the United States has a current population of 304 million with a population growth rate of 9% per decade (per July 2008 statistics). The population growth trend is decreasing. In comparison, India has a current population of 1.14 billion with a population growth rate of 14% per decade. The trend is increasing. A good comparison of how improving education and economic growth slows population growth is China. Prior to China&#8217;s current educational and industrial revolution, it&#8217;s population growth was 19% per decade (despite its one-child policy). Its current population growth rate has dropped to 6% per decade. It&#8217;s population growth rate trend is decreasing.</p>
<p>The disparity between nations with high population growth and those with the lowest is mostly attributable to better education, better technological solutions to improve resource efficiencies, a political and social organization that supports collective solutions, and access to better health care. The result is a higher level of economic productivity. In other words, economic productivity is an effect, not the cause.</p>
<p>The fallacy of Daly&#8217;s doctrine is cutting economic growth will not improve conditions for the world&#8217;s inhabitants. It would have very much a reverse effect in that it would be disastrous for 2nd and 3rd world nations. </p>
<p>The real solution to managing resources needs to be a focus on promoting education, fostering political stability in 2nd and 3rd world nations, and technology transfer that targets improving resource management and improved reproductive choices. For the record I&#8217;m not in favor of eugenics or abortion &#8211; they&#8217;re bad substitutes for social sophistication, solving nothing in the long term (witness China). Until we start thinking along the lines of root cause, looking at what key factors actually contribute to reduced population growth and improvements in resource utilization, we&#8217;re just kidding ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bross</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.  Emmert,
There is a lot to what you say.  Cries that the \\\&quot;Sky is falling\\\&quot; are very frequent and usually overstated.  Also, I agree that technology/science has always risen to the challenge of finding new ways to do things.  

However, when a commodity becomes scarce, or when new information changes society, these events are often the cause of conflict.   Those conflicts have only been limited by the nature of the weapons used.  The parties involved used what ever technology existed at the time.  They didn\\\&#039;t hold back.

Because there are enough nuclear weapons on the planet to render it uninhabitable, do you feel that such weapons change the dynamics involved with when it comes to working through conflicts or the transitions from one set of cultural norms to a new set of norms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.  Emmert,<br />
There is a lot to what you say.  Cries that the \\\&#8221;Sky is falling\\\&#8221; are very frequent and usually overstated.  Also, I agree that technology/science has always risen to the challenge of finding new ways to do things.  </p>
<p>However, when a commodity becomes scarce, or when new information changes society, these events are often the cause of conflict.   Those conflicts have only been limited by the nature of the weapons used.  The parties involved used what ever technology existed at the time.  They didn\\\&#8217;t hold back.</p>
<p>Because there are enough nuclear weapons on the planet to render it uninhabitable, do you feel that such weapons change the dynamics involved with when it comes to working through conflicts or the transitions from one set of cultural norms to a new set of norms?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Emmert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Emmert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daly is such a pessimist. Remember the famous Paul Ehrlich - Julian Simon wager on the price of commodities? Remember \&quot;The End Of Affluence\&quot;? They all neglected a simple fact: When a commodity becomes scarce and pricey, another replacement commodity comes along to supplant it. 

The world is a dynamic place; mechanical vehicles have replaced beasts of burden. Peat is replaced by coal, in turn replaced by petroleum, in turn replaced by natural gas, perhaps next by nuclear energy or geothermal or tidal ocean power. There is no reason for such pessimism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daly is such a pessimist. Remember the famous Paul Ehrlich &#8211; Julian Simon wager on the price of commodities? Remember \&#8221;The End Of Affluence\&#8221;? They all neglected a simple fact: When a commodity becomes scarce and pricey, another replacement commodity comes along to supplant it. </p>
<p>The world is a dynamic place; mechanical vehicles have replaced beasts of burden. Peat is replaced by coal, in turn replaced by petroleum, in turn replaced by natural gas, perhaps next by nuclear energy or geothermal or tidal ocean power. There is no reason for such pessimism.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Shedwick</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/human-world/herman-daly-on-the-case-for-a-steady-state-economy/comment-page-1#comment-14934</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Shedwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go again, another elitist intellectual trying to spread doom and gloom when history has proven them wrong almost every time.  Remember Paul Ehrlich and &quot;The Population Bomb&quot; and how we were all going to starve to death by 2000? One minute it&#039;s global cooling, next it&#039;s global warming and when the data disproves them they come up with &quot;Climate Change.&quot; They somehow get the idea that man has more to do with the climate than that giant thermonuclear reactor that sits 93 million miles away!
So now we all have to be allowed one child (forced abortions to anyone who would dare have more than one). We are only allowed to use &quot;toxic&quot; light bulbs now. Next we&#039;ll all be forced to become vegans because we won&#039;t be allowed to raise beef cattle due to their flattus causing climate change.
FREEDOM and LIBERTY will solve our problems, just like it has for thousands of years, when the snooty intelligencia allows it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again, another elitist intellectual trying to spread doom and gloom when history has proven them wrong almost every time.  Remember Paul Ehrlich and &#8220;The Population Bomb&#8221; and how we were all going to starve to death by 2000? One minute it&#8217;s global cooling, next it&#8217;s global warming and when the data disproves them they come up with &#8220;Climate Change.&#8221; They somehow get the idea that man has more to do with the climate than that giant thermonuclear reactor that sits 93 million miles away!<br />
So now we all have to be allowed one child (forced abortions to anyone who would dare have more than one). We are only allowed to use &#8220;toxic&#8221; light bulbs now. Next we&#8217;ll all be forced to become vegans because we won&#8217;t be allowed to raise beef cattle due to their flattus causing climate change.<br />
FREEDOM and LIBERTY will solve our problems, just like it has for thousands of years, when the snooty intelligencia allows it!</p>
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