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	<title>Comments on: Tom Wilbanks on what America must do to respond to climate change</title>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/earth/tom-wilbanks-on-what-america-must-do-to-respond-to-climate-change/comment-page-1#comment-43799</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob - on &quot;Truth &amp; Realism&quot;... who knows where this stuff comes from? It&#039;s certainly not true - Michael, did you just copy it out of the Marionsword blog? 

I saw this and checked out NASA, Scientific American and the British Met Office ... (Google volcanic+ash+climate+ change)

I&#039;ll not describe it save for this from Scientific American
&quot;volcanic eruptions produce about 110 million tons of CO2 each year, whereas human activities contribute almost 10,000 times that quantity&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &#8211; on &#8220;Truth &amp; Realism&#8221;&#8230; who knows where this stuff comes from? It&#8217;s certainly not true &#8211; Michael, did you just copy it out of the Marionsword blog? </p>
<p>I saw this and checked out NASA, Scientific American and the British Met Office &#8230; (Google volcanic+ash+climate+ change)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll not describe it save for this from Scientific American<br />
&#8220;volcanic eruptions produce about 110 million tons of CO2 each year, whereas human activities contribute almost 10,000 times that quantity&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Greenelsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Greenelsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

What is the source or reference dealing with the details of the volcano emissions. Who did the measurements and calculations?

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>What is the source or reference dealing with the details of the volcano emissions. Who did the measurements and calculations?</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/earth/tom-wilbanks-on-what-america-must-do-to-respond-to-climate-change/comment-page-1#comment-35895</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, darn...

I think this Volcano thing should be regulated by Congress.  What&#039;s going on man.  Are the Repuplicains holding things up again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, darn&#8230;</p>
<p>I think this Volcano thing should be regulated by Congress.  What&#8217;s going on man.  Are the Repuplicains holding things up again?</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/earth/tom-wilbanks-on-what-america-must-do-to-respond-to-climate-change/comment-page-1#comment-33386</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 03:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay, I accept your word on this. I&#039;ll concede on that issue. Still I think cap and trade is bad for the economy and does nothing for ecology as long as it can&#039;t be decoupled from economic key performance indicators. It bothers me that folks like Al Gore and carbon bankers are poised to make multi-billions in profits as insiders. I have a passion for the environment but feel those billions in profits being sponged by traders and speculators would be better used to invest in energy technology development at grass roots levels. 

I see cap and trade under its present design a license to pollute which draws capital from developing transitional and alternate fuel technologies. I&#039;ve read the bill and its all about world banking and says little to nothing about measurable effects on CO2 levels, jobs, or transitional paths to alternative energy. I think the real solution is to forego draconian schemes like cap and trade and create an incentive for corporations and small business to invest in green technologies. As a researcher and technologies company owner, I would prefer to take the tens of thousands in taxes, penalties, and fees I&#039;m expected to pay into the cap and trade system and buy solar panels, wind generators, efficient lighting and appliances, and insulation. But being robbed of those resources, I&#039;m being sidelined in the process and that doesn&#039;t seem the proper outcome.

Thanks as always for your kind responses, insight and open dialog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay, I accept your word on this. I&#8217;ll concede on that issue. Still I think cap and trade is bad for the economy and does nothing for ecology as long as it can&#8217;t be decoupled from economic key performance indicators. It bothers me that folks like Al Gore and carbon bankers are poised to make multi-billions in profits as insiders. I have a passion for the environment but feel those billions in profits being sponged by traders and speculators would be better used to invest in energy technology development at grass roots levels. </p>
<p>I see cap and trade under its present design a license to pollute which draws capital from developing transitional and alternate fuel technologies. I&#8217;ve read the bill and its all about world banking and says little to nothing about measurable effects on CO2 levels, jobs, or transitional paths to alternative energy. I think the real solution is to forego draconian schemes like cap and trade and create an incentive for corporations and small business to invest in green technologies. As a researcher and technologies company owner, I would prefer to take the tens of thousands in taxes, penalties, and fees I&#8217;m expected to pay into the cap and trade system and buy solar panels, wind generators, efficient lighting and appliances, and insulation. But being robbed of those resources, I&#8217;m being sidelined in the process and that doesn&#8217;t seem the proper outcome.</p>
<p>Thanks as always for your kind responses, insight and open dialog.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 01:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can change the Earth? Here is a big dose of truth and realism for you.
               
 For all of you out there in America and across the globe who have fought so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions, that bogus god you worship named &quot;Climate Change&quot; or &quot;Global Warming&quot;,  there is some really bad news that will be very painful for you to process. But it is my duty to pass it on to you anyway. 
 Are you sitting down?
 Okay, here&#039;s the bombshell. The current volcanic eruption going on in Iceland, since it first started spewing volcanic ash a week ago, has, to this point, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet.  Not only that, this single act of God has added emissions to the earth estimated to be 42 times more than can be corrected by the extreme human regulations proposed for annual reductions.
 I know, I know.... (have a group hug)...it&#039;s very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up til midnight to finish your kid&#039;s &quot;The Green Revolution&quot; science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, going on vacation to a city park instead of Yosemite, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs ...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just the past week.
 The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth&#039;s atmosphere in the past week has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon.  And, those hundreds of thousands of American jobs you helped move to Asia with expensive emissions demands on businesses... you know, the ones that are creating even more emissions than when they were creating American jobs, well that must seem really worthwhile now.
 I&#039;m so sorry. And I do wish that there was some kind of a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the brush fire season across the western U.S.A. will start in about two months and those fires will negate your efforts to reduce carbon emissions in our world for the next two years.
  
So, grab a Coke, give the world a hug, and have a nice day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can change the Earth? Here is a big dose of truth and realism for you.</p>
<p> For all of you out there in America and across the globe who have fought so hard to tackle the hideous enemy of our planet, namely carbon emissions, that bogus god you worship named &#8220;Climate Change&#8221; or &#8220;Global Warming&#8221;,  there is some really bad news that will be very painful for you to process. But it is my duty to pass it on to you anyway.<br />
 Are you sitting down?<br />
 Okay, here&#8217;s the bombshell. The current volcanic eruption going on in Iceland, since it first started spewing volcanic ash a week ago, has, to this point, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet.  Not only that, this single act of God has added emissions to the earth estimated to be 42 times more than can be corrected by the extreme human regulations proposed for annual reductions.<br />
 I know, I know&#8230;. (have a group hug)&#8230;it&#8217;s very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up til midnight to finish your kid&#8217;s &#8220;The Green Revolution&#8221; science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, going on vacation to a city park instead of Yosemite, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your $1 light bulbs with $10 light bulbs &#8230;well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just the past week.<br />
 The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere in the past week has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon.  And, those hundreds of thousands of American jobs you helped move to Asia with expensive emissions demands on businesses&#8230; you know, the ones that are creating even more emissions than when they were creating American jobs, well that must seem really worthwhile now.<br />
 I&#8217;m so sorry. And I do wish that there was some kind of a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the brush fire season across the western U.S.A. will start in about two months and those fires will negate your efforts to reduce carbon emissions in our world for the next two years.</p>
<p>So, grab a Coke, give the world a hug, and have a nice day!</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Patterson</title>
		<link>http://earthsky.org/earth/tom-wilbanks-on-what-america-must-do-to-respond-to-climate-change/comment-page-1#comment-33250</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 14:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank, I have it on good authority that none of the scientists involved were paid for their work on America&#039;s Climate Choices. They chose to do it as a public service for Congress. Therefore, I think it&#039;s difficult to support the idea that this report was a &quot;commissioned work for hire.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank, I have it on good authority that none of the scientists involved were paid for their work on America&#8217;s Climate Choices. They chose to do it as a public service for Congress. Therefore, I think it&#8217;s difficult to support the idea that this report was a &#8220;commissioned work for hire.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 01:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay, you are right. There are members of Congress who are strongly against cap and trade. Senator Inhofe is perhaps the most notable and outspoken example. However, I think it is important to point out that the current filibuster proof congress has snobbed off all dissenting voices to cap and trade in its highly partisan and closed door push for its passing.

I, like a growing number of my peers working in non climate related scientific research are increasingly expressing frustration with how government grant money stipulates a predefined outcome as condition to grant approval. Let us not ignore that all AGW climate research is government funded to the tune of nearly $8 billion a year whereas there is $0.00 funding for any climate research that doesn&#039;t find the &quot;A&quot; in AGW. So, here is the published language of how these &quot;America&#039;s Climate Choices&quot; reports were commissioned:

&quot;The Department of Commerce Appropriations Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-161) calls for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to execute an agreement with the National Academy of Sciences to establish a committee that will &quot;investigate and study the serious and sweeping issues relating to global climate change and make recommendations regarding what steps must be taken and what strategies must be adopted in response to global climate change, including the science and technology challenges thereof.&quot; The committee is directed to produce a report, with findings, conclusions, and recommendations, within two years of its first meeting.&quot;

The purpose of the &quot;Agreement&quot; was to commission a hand picked group of scientists to produce reports in favor of the desired outcome as clearly mandated in the language above. Dr. Willbanks confirms it very nicely with &quot;The Limiting report says we should take action now to set targets now for limiting emissions of greenhouse gases from the US.&quot; That&#039;s political speak for cap and trade least anyone not catch the meaning. This isn&#039;t science, it&#039;s scientists being paid by the government to produce commissioned works for hire. John and Jane Q. Public are getting wise to this venue and it&#039;s sadly eroding public trust and support of all of the sciences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay, you are right. There are members of Congress who are strongly against cap and trade. Senator Inhofe is perhaps the most notable and outspoken example. However, I think it is important to point out that the current filibuster proof congress has snobbed off all dissenting voices to cap and trade in its highly partisan and closed door push for its passing.</p>
<p>I, like a growing number of my peers working in non climate related scientific research are increasingly expressing frustration with how government grant money stipulates a predefined outcome as condition to grant approval. Let us not ignore that all AGW climate research is government funded to the tune of nearly $8 billion a year whereas there is $0.00 funding for any climate research that doesn&#8217;t find the &#8220;A&#8221; in AGW. So, here is the published language of how these &#8220;America&#8217;s Climate Choices&#8221; reports were commissioned:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Department of Commerce Appropriations Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-161) calls for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to execute an agreement with the National Academy of Sciences to establish a committee that will &#8220;investigate and study the serious and sweeping issues relating to global climate change and make recommendations regarding what steps must be taken and what strategies must be adopted in response to global climate change, including the science and technology challenges thereof.&#8221; The committee is directed to produce a report, with findings, conclusions, and recommendations, within two years of its first meeting.&#8221;</p>
<p>The purpose of the &#8220;Agreement&#8221; was to commission a hand picked group of scientists to produce reports in favor of the desired outcome as clearly mandated in the language above. Dr. Willbanks confirms it very nicely with &#8220;The Limiting report says we should take action now to set targets now for limiting emissions of greenhouse gases from the US.&#8221; That&#8217;s political speak for cap and trade least anyone not catch the meaning. This isn&#8217;t science, it&#8217;s scientists being paid by the government to produce commissioned works for hire. John and Jane Q. Public are getting wise to this venue and it&#8217;s sadly eroding public trust and support of all of the sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 14:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank, I think you might be forgetting that many in Congress are strongly against cap and trade, and are self-proclaimed global warming skeptics. That&#039;s why it&#039;s so interesting that Congress asked for this report, and it will be equally interesting to see how they respond to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank, I think you might be forgetting that many in Congress are strongly against cap and trade, and are self-proclaimed global warming skeptics. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so interesting that Congress asked for this report, and it will be equally interesting to see how they respond to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 05:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The reports are part of a broad and comprehensive climate change study – requested by the U.S. Congress in the spring of 2009 – called “America’s Climate Choices.” - Tom Wilbanks

Well, that says it all. The outcome was preconceived and very predictable. Congress wants to do a hard press for Cap and Trade. So, they choose the timing and pay some willing scientists to write three (one wouldn&#039;t have enough impact) reports on global warming that Congress wants to be titled &quot;America&#039;s Climate Choices&quot; based on the usual over-tweaked models and incessant over-exaggerated global warming claims by Al Gore and Dr. Hansen and their lot. And the scientists who danced for Congress&#039; money on this one really expect the public to take their reports seriously?  

While I&#039;m a luke-warmer and acknowledge man&#039;s impact on the climate is measurable, I can&#039;t help but feel it&#039;s this kind of staged theatrics that&#039;s eroding the credibility of the science community and for good reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The reports are part of a broad and comprehensive climate change study – requested by the U.S. Congress in the spring of 2009 – called “America’s Climate Choices.” &#8211; Tom Wilbanks</p>
<p>Well, that says it all. The outcome was preconceived and very predictable. Congress wants to do a hard press for Cap and Trade. So, they choose the timing and pay some willing scientists to write three (one wouldn&#8217;t have enough impact) reports on global warming that Congress wants to be titled &#8220;America&#8217;s Climate Choices&#8221; based on the usual over-tweaked models and incessant over-exaggerated global warming claims by Al Gore and Dr. Hansen and their lot. And the scientists who danced for Congress&#8217; money on this one really expect the public to take their reports seriously?  </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m a luke-warmer and acknowledge man&#8217;s impact on the climate is measurable, I can&#8217;t help but feel it&#8217;s this kind of staged theatrics that&#8217;s eroding the credibility of the science community and for good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: a p garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>a p garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 00:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go back to the stone age and use Fred Flintstone as the model or any Indian tride in the Amazon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go back to the stone age and use Fred Flintstone as the model or any Indian tride in the Amazon!</p>
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